let's let ali weigh in. >> steve, good to see you. i'm not sure anyone who would nominate for treasury secretary that the editorial of the wall street editorial would but who knows. your history is one of a tax fighter. you've been a tax fighter forever. you're founder of the club for growth. >> right. >> you've got the same dna as grover norquist and pat toomey and guys like this. jack lew understands budgets. the fact of the matter is, this is a guy that can speak the right language when the biggest crisis in washington right now is the fact that there's an absence of a budget. >> okay. so, ali, that's a great point. when i heard you talk about this before it was the one thing that you said that i kind of disagreed with. look, we have a fiscal crisis on our hands, we have a debt crisis. if you look at his performance in the last few years in terms of running the budget office and being the chief of staff for the president, the debt crisis has gotten much worse. i don't look at that reference and say, gee, this is a guy who is really